The Spartans would almost definitely win in a head on clash, the phalanx is just like the spears it is made from, devastatingly powerful head on, but weak when attacked from the side. If you don't believe me, get a steel or iron sword and try to cut or pierce a bronze medal. YOU CAN'T, IT'S STILL METAL. The decline of the Diadochi and the phalanx was inextricably linked with the rise of Rome and the Roman legion … The Spartans were some of the greatest soldiers of all time, but that isn't as great an advantage as people make it out to be. No one expects it to be used as a weapon, and it being used as a weapon can allow the element of surprise. #WolfAndKaisaYou´ve never seen a Rome II battle like this!! Google the pre-marian battle tactics to see how smart the Romans were. Instead hoplites favored the leather cuirass which gave almost equal the protection at a lower cost. The Roman formation was way more flexible and so could manage changes in the terrain more effectively than the phalanx could. It can shatter bones, destroy spinal columns, knock a human's skull so hard, it can kill in one blow (although a Spartan's arsenal are all for the most part, one hit, one kill weapons), it even had two straps on the inside for more maneuverability (it's big, but manageable, circular shape helped with that- and it's killing power). All of this to teach these boys survival and proficient fighting skills. The Roman is using technology more advanced than the Spartan so that alone should swing it. Therein lies the trickery. The Legionnaire joined the Roman army in several different ways. Selbst als mit Aemilius Paullus ein erfahrener Feldherr die Führung der Legionen übernimmt, kann Perseus mit seiner reorganisierten Armee erfolgreich Widerstand leisten. Back during King Alexander's time, he had a great mix of troops, fighting beside the Phalanx, such as Peltasts, Shield-Bearers, light-infantry, maybe archers, I am not sure, and most importantly, the Macedonian light cavalry. ), Die traditionelle Waffe der Makedonischen Phalanx war ihre bis zu sechs Meter lange Sarisse, Quelle: Wikipedia/F. CHAOSWEAV3R. Im Nahkampf haben die Makedonen mit ihren bis zu sechs Meter langen Stoßwaffen gegen die handlichen Spanischen Kurzschwerter der Römer keine Chance. Now we have unearthed bones that date back to the time of the famed Spartans, showing them to be 6'1" tall, an acceptably frightning height. On all fronts, the Roman legions would dominate on the battlefield. IF IT WERE THAT WEAK, THEY WOULD'NT HAVE USED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. Bronze was still a durable metal. This was a vicious hacking weapon in the form of a thick, curved iron sword. The Deadliest Warrior television programme was an enjoyable and interesting piece of entertainment. So Hoplon- pretty overpowered. See more ideas about ancient warfare, ancient warriors, ancient war. As the Romans demonstrated an army is so much more than the sum of its parts. Bei Pydna trafen die beweglichen römischen Manipel auf die starre Front der Makedonischen Phalanx, Münze des Königs Perseus von Makedonien (213/212-165 v. They did not have a lot of coverage and as the armour was made of bronze it would have weighed a fair amount. The Spartans trained and fought all their life with ONLY these weapons. 168 v. Chr. After constant drills by their superiors, the Spartan youth had become a fine-tuned killing machine ready for battle. The Spartans used the traditional greek phalanx and could easily be beaten by flanking attacks. Paired with their training and love for physical competitions, these Spartans weren't just tall, they were strong. I have decided to compare the Spartan warrior against one of Rome's finest Legionnaires. Beide Heere sind mit rund 40.000 Mann ungefähr gleich stark. In fact he has roared … Continue reading "Book Review: Legion Versus Phalanx by Myke Cole." Like the Spartans, the Legionnaire would be trained repeatedly in Roman tactics and strategies. So your saying that one Roman vs one Spartan, the Spartan is … Hoplites rarely actually used the bronze cuirass as it would weigh down the soldier packed in tight formations. !!! Am Fluss Elpeus müssen Roms Leichtbewaffnete sogar eine herbe Niederlage hinnehmen. Spartan Phalanx vs Roman Legionary, who wins? I have decided to do a relative comparison of their merits. In a one on one fight, a Spartan would kill a Legionnaire easily. So let's take a look at their skills shall we? Der römische Konsul Lucius Aemilius Paullus besiegt am 22. Nerd isn’t the name one would generally associate with Myke Cole & from the picture on the back flap of Legion versus Phalanx, as a stranger you’d certainly think twice about calling any name he didn’t OK to his face. They were made to always compete against each other, some of the competitions included a fair amount of violence (so INDIVIDUAL FIGHTING PROWESS was VERY important). Juni 168 v. Chr. This does not really mean that the Greek Phalanx was flawed as a fighting system. Cavalrymen went into battle with their torso's bare. He would have survived in the wilderness and would have killed a member of the Messenian helot slave class. The Roman ranks used their short sword in a more hand to hand environment. Makedonischen Krieg erlitt er 197 bei Kynoskephalai eine schwere Niederlage, die ihn die Rolle als Hegemonialmacht in Griechenland kostete. The Romans had spears but their fighting style was to use it more as a defensive or close quarter combat deterrent. In my opinion, the biggest advantage of the Roman legions over the Macedonian phalanx was their greater capacity to adapt to changing situations. A Hoplon looks completely for defending, and it is an excellent defensive tool, being made out of thick wood, a layer of leather for impacts and a shell of bronze (altogether weighing a good 30 lbs.- about 13 kg. Swords: Both sets of warriors used a short sword as their primary weapon in one on one contest. Just going to address some errors. At their peak-both warriors were formidable. The courage and discipline with the spear allowed the Spartan formation to become a human threshing machine. This implies that it is a one on one, and if the author says it is not, then he should not have named it so. So yeah, literally big and scary guys. Rund 20.000 Makedonen sollen gefallen sein, gegenüber nur einigen hundert römischen Verlusten. He deduces that the Romans refused to fight the phalanx where the phalanx was effective, Romans offered battle only when a legion could exploit the clumsiness and immobility of a phalanx. The Spartans of old existed a few hundred years before the Roman Empire and its mighty Legionnaires had marched their way over a large portion of the civilized world. Second point of the xiphos. The Spartan tactics were outdated pretty quickly because I think the thracians kicked their asses after the wars between Athens and Sparta. Spartans held brevity of speech in high regard, meaning they let their skills do the talking. The US Marine fitness programme is based on the Spartan's brutal training principle, although slaughtering an innocent member of the serving class at graduation is not recommended. By the time the young Spartan has reached the age of eighteen, he had learned to fight, to win and to die honourably like a true Spartan. The Roman infantry met the phalanx and did not break, but were steadily forced back towards the broken ground behind them. Wonder no more, the greek hoplites were easily undone by the more flexible Roman legions. No variations for Spartans. Wie der römische Historiker Livius berichtet, soll die „Umzäunung von gestreckten Lanzen“ der makedonischen Formation die Römer zunächst in Angst und Schrecken versetzt haben. Or he may have been a slave sold into the Roman Legion after he had been abducted from his homeland. To start the game, I’d like to throw in a battle fought during the first Punic War, the battle of Tunis saw a Spartan Officer called Xanthippus throw a line of elephants, supported by the old phalanx of “doru” wielding Carthaginian levies at the Roman legions and with cavalry superiority on the flanks he won a decisive victory. Das Königreich Makedonien wird in vier unabhängige Regionen aufgeteilt und einige Jahre später als Provinz ins Römische Reich eingegliedert. The phalanx was best suited for level ground and was vulnerable to loss of cohesion, whereas the legion based on interlocking smaller units was much more adept at holding and reforming formation. In contrast, a phalanx only really works when the entire army is in one cohesive formation. They knew how to fight, and they had their fair share of outfoxing an enemy army. May 12, 2019 - Explore Jyotirvakyananda's board "Phalanx" on Pinterest. Damit ist der 3. Greek Hopolites already fought against the Roman Legion, and the Greeks lost very horribly. I keep seeing a recurring point in everyone's comments that Romans had better equipment and would somehow render the Spartans' equipment/armor useless. As for the cavalry getting involved, iirc both sides still had their cavalry forces, so even if they had attempted the flank the legions, the Roman cavalry … The Legionnaire dominated nearly 500 years of history-changing tactics and equipment very little but they eventually were destroyed by less drilled but more hungry enemies. Their living conditions were very austere, so you'd best bet that the Spartans were as tough as their shields themselves. As the long phalanx line pushed forward, they began to break formation as some areas pushed forward more than others and the uneven ground began to break the formation. Nachdem er einige Erfolge gegen griechische Staaten erzielt hat, drängt Eumenes II. Is this surprising? Weapons and armor where given by retired soldier so only soldiers from a rich family would be using one. Spartan died 400 year before Roman Empire. I enjoyed the way the programme was set up and the scientific approach was really well thought out and well implemented. I find major flaws in everyone's reasoning. Use features like bookmarks, note taking and highlighting while reading Legion versus Phalanx: The Epic Struggle for Infantry Supremacy in the Ancient World. The two armies lined up, each splitting the cavalry on the wings and the Macedonian phalanx advanced. Even if this was an army vs army battle, it's not like the Spartans would just let an enemy flank them, they were soldiers, not stupid. When the Sarissas act as an anvil to the Macedonian Cavalry's hammer, nothing could stand in its way. kam es bei Pydna zur Entscheidungsschlacht. Our last article about who would win in a battle between a Roman Legion and a Greek Phalanx has been such a success that we’ve decided to continue the series. Gegen die gefürchtete Makedonische Phalanx setzten die Römer auf Beweglichkeit. The Romans fought in the same way as the Spartans, as they both worked as a single force to crush their enemies. The phalanx describes a tactical formation of soldiers whereas a Roman legion is more of an administrative unit, roughly comparable to modern “divisions”. He may sign up to be a Legionnaire so that he could get Roman citizenship. It was the phalanx that allowed Greece to become the dominant power in the Western world. No heavy Spartan. Spartan supremacy wained in Greece and after several defeats to the city of Thebes due to and the same inability to advance tactics and equipment they too became a fighting icon of the past. These guys were good- and they knew it. Die dynamische, aggressive und auf Auflösung von Abwehrformationen angelegte Kampftaktik der Legionen, so der Historiker Armin Eich, wird Rom in den folgenden zwei Jahrhunderten die Weltherrschaft sichern. However, Cole is a self-confessed nerd and he has roared. Perseus kann zunächst fliehen, ergibt sich aber schließlich dem römischen Feldherrn und stirbt in Gefangenschaft. ). Oh... don't you forget that they did this training as young boys, you keep that in your head. Legion versus Phalanx: The Epic Struggle for Infantry Supremacy in the Ancient World | Cole, Myke | ISBN: 9781472841124 | Kostenloser Versand für alle Bücher mit Versand und Verkauf duch Amazon. Phyrrus) What I'm trying to say is that, back in 400 BC Spartans could crash a Roman army.100-150 years later though they would propably crashed. Second to last point, Spartan's size and strength. Sparta, unlike the other Greek city-states, was centered around a warrior culture. Also, the Romans used cavalry, Spartans did not. EG the Rajhput somehow defeating the Romans when in fact the Romans do not fight this way, therefore armies must be compared at which point the Romans overwhelmingly dominate the field...So when comparing two warriors especially as a Spartan or Roman with the heavy infantry lockstep style, one must compare armies as a whole rather than simple individuals. Final point, these guys were smart, there is a reason people back in those days employed Spartans as mercenaries or bounty hunters. Mitchell, United States Military Academy, 480 Kriegselefanten veränderten die antike Welt, Eine Waffe war das Erfolgsgeheimnis der Legionen Roms, Das Schwert – die erste Kriegswaffe des Menschen, So schlug Hannibal die Kesselschlacht von Cannae, „100.000 Sesterzen für einen Lustsklaven sind nicht viel“, Wo der Grünen-Politiker Crack auf Rezept verabreichen will, Mehr als ein Drittel der Krieger überlebte die Niederlage nicht, die sie gegen die Karthager perfektioniert haben, die handlichen Spanischen Kurzschwerter der Römer. The victorious Romans recruited betallions of the few remaining Spartans after they controlled southern Greece and gave them special status in the Roman Legions. The Spartan Xiphos was designed to go in and around the defence of a shield in line. The Roman legions utilized a more flexible battlefield strategy, with smaller units able to move independently. In a pitched battle, the Spartan would be victorious the vast majority of the time. And at the beginning of the battle, the Macedonian Phalanx did succeed in pushing back the Roman Legions, but without good … Einige von Roms Bundesgenossen suchen ihr Heil in der Flucht. Wie bei Kynoskephalai vertrauen die Makedonen auf ihre traditionelle Sarissenphalanx (Sarisse = Lanze), die schon die Hauptwaffe Alexanders gewesen war, während die Römer auf ihre flexible Manipular-Taktik setzen, die sie gegen die Karthager perfektioniert haben. The expense of the supporting arms and cavalry, and widespread use of mercenaries, caused the Diadochi to rely on phalanx vs. phalanx tactics during the Wars of the Diadochi. Spartan never fought the Roman. The Roman shields were of a later design and construction, they were generally made of steel or iron. They used the "checkerboard" formation … In drei Kriegen kämpfte Rom gegen das Königreich Makedonien. What I am unable to factor in is variables such as fatigue, morale, the experience of battle and what they are fighting for. This weapon was seen as the quintessential "bad guys" weapon in ancient Greece. The sword you're referring to is the kopis which was pretty hard to make do to its curved shape. The Spartan Shield is as strong or stronger than a post Battle of Carrhae Roman Shield. The only gripe I had with the programme was that the actual contestants they matched them up against were ill-suited. See more ideas about ancient warfare, ancient warriors, ancient war. Thusly it can never be tested weather the Roman Legionary or the Spartan phalangite at the height of their powers would dominate in individual or full on battle. It can be swung in a way that the ball turns into a semi-mace/hammer, easily capable of crushing a skull through a helmet. Download it once and read it on your Kindle device, PC, phones or tablets. Makedonische Krieg zu Ende und das Stammland Alexanders des Großen vernichtet. So by a small amount the Roman soldier should defeat a Spartan Warrior in the field of battle. The word "spartan" means self restrained, simple, frugal and austere. What if the two would go into battle against each other? Greek Phalanx vs. Roman Legion: A history of the most powerful military formations in the ancient world . Owing to the shortness of the blade the Spartan had to react to the opponent's aggression rather than attack long-distance and telegraph his attack. When the phalanx got disrupted or broken up, the individual soldiers had to fight one- on - one. It was a leaf shaped straight sword which couldn't really reach around a shield. This fight has already been done in history. Schon während des Krieges gegen Hannibal hatte Perseus‘ Vater Philipp V. gegen die Römer gekämpft. USING STEEL OR IRON WEAPONRY DOES NOT MAGICALLY TURN BRONZE PLATING INTO PAPER. Chr. After all, the Roman Legionary was able to defeat the Macedonian Phalanx. Perseus, der 179 seinem Vater auf dem Thron nachfolgt, macht sich daran, die alte Stellung des Reiches zu restaurieren. Aber je weiter die Phalanx der Makedonen vorrückt, desto mehr verlieren ihre Krieger den Kontakt zueinander, so dass Lücken in der Schlachtreihe auftraten. Andrew Stewart (author) from England on December 05, 2013: Interesting points thank you for the contribution. Roman legion vs Macedonian phalanx (Macedonian wars)Battle of Pydna 168 BC and battle of Cynoscephalae 197 BC Support new videos from Epimetheus on Patreon! He may have committed a crime and was offered the chance to use his life as a soldier rather than face a horrible death by execution. The word "laconic" comes from the Spartans (who lived in Laconia), which means pithy and concise. Shields: The Spartans main armour was their bronze shields which were the ancient equivalent of a tank when used in a large group. This veteran writer has been on HubPages for a decade and has created over 100 original pieces. Athenian art frequently depicted Spartan warriors with this weapon for that reason. The greek phalanxes were too unwieldy to counter flanking attacks and were easily surrounded and undone. People argue that a Xiphos is like a Gladius, but with weaker stabbing power, that's not true. The weak points on the legionnaire were at the joints. The Kopis, an alternative to the Xiphos some Spartans selected the dreaded Kopis as their secondary weapon. The Roman tended to use the Gladius, this was an instrument designed to hack through limbs then run through bodies and move onto the next victim. The two terms aren’t exactly comparable. Heck, their women were strong, participating in javelin throwing and discus hurling so as to attract a Spartan male's attention for marriage. The Legionnaire was covered in a bit more metal but he was afforded some flexibility as the plate mail was slats of steel not a solid mass like a suit of armour. The leaf blade (as I call it) makes the Xiphos heavier nearing the sword tip, allowing for more power to be transferred to the slash, while not turning the sword into a bludgeoning weapon. Weitere Informationen: http://epaper.welt.de, Der Kurz-Link dieses Artikels lautet: https://www.welt.de/165797873. By the time Rome came into power, Sparta was pretty much gone. The legion of the Early Roman Republic was divided into 30 120-160 men strong maniples organized into 3 … The Ninja of the Far East versus the Greek Spartan Warrior was not a like for like match. Deadliest Warrior is a horrible show because they do not treat things realistically. Im 2. Legion versus Phalanx: The Epic Struggle for Infantry Supremacy in the Ancient World | Cole, Myke | ISBN: 9781472828422 | Kostenloser Versand für alle Bücher mit Versand und Verkauf duch Amazon. The youth would have been taught of Sparta's heroes and he was instructed never to surrender, and never back down from the fight. This is a one on one fight, there is no phalanx as far as I'm concerned. There is no doubt in my mind that Roman legions would completely obliterate the Spartans. Also covering from torso to knee when semi0crouched for a phalanx(pay attention to that coverage, that'll be important later). He would then be brutalized by his peers and turned into a Spartan warrior through years of exhaustive training. Andrew Stewart (author) from England on April 02, 2014: Thanks for the feedback Trax, appreciate the information! Inkompetente Führung lässt den römischen Vorstoß aber zunächst scheitern. Warriors would use this weapon more as an axe then a sword, inflicting nasty wounds compared to the cleaner holes made by the spear and Xiphos. The earliest soldiers of the Roman army were hoplites. Die Schlachtreihe einer Legion (bis zu 5000 Mann) ist in Manipel von 120 Mann unterteilt, die wesentlich mobiler agieren können als die dichten Schlachtreihen der Griechen und Makedonen. Think about it, aside from grueling training and combat experience, these guys used the same loadout for every fight. The strength of the Roman legion over the phalanx was less an advantage in weaponry, than it was an advantage in formation flexibility. No Spartionnaire. Whereas when King Perseus fought the Roman Legions at Pydna, he had forsaken the Combined Arms approach and reverted back to a full Phalanx force, the kind of force his ancestor King Alexander had defeated many a times with his Combined Arms approach. bei Pydna am Olymp in Nordgriechenland das Heer des Königs Perseus von Makedonien vollständig. The pilums might not be as effective as they were against the shields of the Gauls and Germans. The Spartans used their spears as javelins preferring the spear to use bows and arrows, the Spartans thought them cowardly. Sources: Ancient texts and a degree in ancient warfare and geopolitics. The spear and sarissa was always their primary (as written by Herodotus for example). They aren't only masters at their craft of fighting, they are masters of their small arsenal. In diese stoßen die Legionäre vor und greifen die Makedonen von der Seite und dem Rücken aus an. kam es bei Pydna zur Entscheidungsschlacht. Die WELT als ePaper: Die vollständige Ausgabe steht Ihnen bereits am Vorabend zur Verfügung – so sind Sie immer hochaktuell informiert. 13 years ago. Studies show that the only reason people switched to iron and steel is because bronze equipment used tin, and tin was becoming a shortage, so they heated fires hot enough to melt iron, and iron was an abundance, so they just stuck with it. Census data from the Roman Kingdom shows that the soldiers were Hoplites in a Phalanx. Sweeping an enemy off their feet wasn't hard to do either. That alone would be a reason they would win over a legionnarie. Their Dory spear was very versatile, acting as a CQC deterrent, with a weighted ball at the butt end of the spear that acted as a leveling unit when holding it up. This content is accurate and true to the best of the author’s knowledge and is not meant to substitute for formal and individualized advice from a qualified professional. No different weapons for diferent classes. Diese erklären Makedonien ohne triftigen Grund 171 den Krieg. Remember the spartan hopolite formation wasn't the same formation that the Macedonians used with their extremely long pikes. Actually, the Macedonian Army fielded by King Perseus lacked one thing that King Alexander had: Combined Arms Tactics. Another thing this doesn't take into account is that the roman legionnaire was a professional swords men and that the spartan formation would of lost shields because the way the roman spears were designed. The Spartans didn't have a wide range of weapons to use, or rather they did, but chose to use only their Dory spear, javelin, Xiphos, and Hoplon (yes, although it's a shield, i still consider it a formidable weapon- I'll get to that in a bit). Roman Legion vs Vikings: who would win? And secondly, it gave the Spartan youth a taste of bloodshed, which would accompany him until his death. In mehreren Büchern hat der Historiker und Journalist Jan von Flocken die herausragenden militärischen Führer der Geschichte vorgestellt. The Xiphos excels at stabbing, with a very sharp tip made to kill an enemy quickly if given that stabbing opportunity in CQC. The Chestplate and helmet were very functional at saving injury. Only until a male succeeded in training in the Agoge, and reached an age of 20, was he then made to join the Spartan miitary full-time until the age of 60. THE GREEKS HAD A GREATER REACH BECAUSE OF A HUGE SPEAR AND SLINGER GAVE THEM A LITTLE ADVANTAGE. At the tender young age of 7, Spartan males left home and entered the Agoge, where they were subjected to training that was anything but tender. The Roman shields have been more modern and advanced were stronger and larger than the Spartan shield, but the Spartan shield was built to withstand a lot of punishment. Legion versus Phalanx: The Epic Struggle for Infantry Supremacy in the Ancient World - Kindle edition by Cole, Myke. The Spartan warrior underwent a decade of tests, to ensure that his endurance and character were worthy of his position in the elite of his people's army. The Ninja was not a warrior who fought in plain sight, so the choice did not seem a good pairing. The Greek xiphos was never a primary weapon as it would take away the advantage of the phalanx. for you non-americans). That is, until the Romans developed the legion and cracked the phalanx. The Roman strategies were very devious when it comes to flanking. Die Entscheidung fällt, als es den Römern gelingt, Perseus aus seinem festen Lager zu locken. He was either forced into it as he was the second or third son in a poor family. Late reader here. For one thing, the title of this article is, 'A Spartan Warrior versus a Roman Legionnaire.' Sadly the Spartan Army never faced the Romans. Spear: The Spartan used their long spears to inflict mass casualties from behind their wall of bronze shields. After discussing the programme with friends, we all agreed that the pairings were a bit of a letdown. The historian Polybius details the effectiveness of the Roman legion against the phalanx. Whereas when King Perseus fought the Roman Legions at Pydna, he had forsaken the Combined Arms approach and reverted back to a full Phalanx force, the kind of force his ancestor King Alexander had defeated many a times with his Combined Arms approach. We all know that if military discipline and fighting ability is paired with amazing physique and physical capabilities, then you've got one hell of a soldier. They threw Javelins as ranged weapons (so if someone says they don't have range, show them this comment). No Sparturion. Apr 11, 2019 - Explore Sawyer Swenson's board "Phalanx", followed by 106 people on Pinterest. The spartans were originally thought to be around 5'10" to 5'11" through rough estimates from ancient equipment. In Legion versus Phalanx Cole weighs the two fighting forces against each other. Armour: The Spartan Warrior in battle wore bronze armour, please disregard what the 300 movies showed, the Spartans did wear body armour with their red capes and helmets. No light Spartan. Many people see this as a huge disadvantage, even for a one on one fight, but i see this a huge ADVANTAGE, ESPECIALLY for a one on one fight. Spartans lost from the Theban "oblique" phalanx.Its evolution,the Macedonian Phalanx, crushed the Thebans.And the Roman legion in most occasions won the phallanx (it lost sometimes though,f.e. Another way to become a Legionnaire was if he was an auxiliary attached to a legion in the occupied territories. Geschichte Legion vs. Phalanx Roms neuartige Taktik vernichtete Makedoniens Heer In drei Kriegen kämpfte Rom gegen das Königreich Makedonien. As far as we are aware, these warriors never met on the battlefield as the once-mighty Sparta had melted into obscurity by the time of Roman supremacy and the Greek warriors were nowhere near their legendary peak. 168 v. Chr. The fight of the phalanx of the Macedonian Greeks (antiquated as it was) vs. the legions of the city of Rome resulted in seven major engagements in which both had three victories and three losses it was the last Hellenistic Macedonian King Perseus at Pydna where the large sarisa's ( spears ) of the Macedonian Phalanx could not maneuver quickly enough to face the fast moving legions. With that being said, I implore everyone to stop talking about the military tactics employed by each anctient nation's armies, it does not matter!!! 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